Holly and Janet blame Amy Sherman Palladino for having them read Kerouac, assert that Rory Gilmore dressed like a 2000s fuckboi and discuss the creepiness of DEAN.
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Holly and Janet blame Amy Sherman Palladino for having them read Kerouac, assert that Rory Gilmore dressed like a 2000s fuckboi and discuss the creepiness of DEAN.
Show Notes and Transcript Here
One, two, three.
I'm Holly.
And I'm Janet.
And we're Gilmore Gays.
You didn't say it.
Okay, that's fine.
I did say it and you said it as a question.
Hi, Mom.
Lorelai.
My goodness, this is a surprise.
Is it Easter already?
No, I just finished up my business class and I thought I would stop by.
To see me?
Yes.
Well,
Isn't that nice?
Come in.
Thanks.
Would you like some tea?
I would love some coffee.
Emily?
I'm home.
We're in here.
Hi, Dad.
What is it?
Christmas already?
So, um, this is episode one.
And well, yeah, because the first episode was like, episode point five.
Technically, yes.
I vote that we name it.
Is it Easter already?
But we can discuss that.
Yes.
Yes.
Okay.
Um, so we have our Oh, my other favorite, which we could also name it Protestants love oatmeal.
I'm like, that's the most I don't know.
Protestants love oatmeal.
Is this a Quaker Oats reference?
It is, right?
Yes.
OK, so OK, so opening scene classic.
If you're listening to this, you've seen this.
It's there she goes by the laws, the she in question being Lorelei Gilmore.
And her hair is so bad in the first episode of Jesus Christ.
And she's wearing a beanie.
She gets hit on by Joey.
And that's when we get our first literary reference.
Jack Kerouac.
Why is it fucking Jack Kerouac?
They all have that like, I'm one of the guys things like, you know, like, like they like girly shit, but like only because they're like Jack Kerouac.
And of course, the doofus doesn't know who Jack Kerouac is because he's a doofus.
But anyway, so I think eighth grade or freshman year of high school, I did read it on the road because of this.
Yeah, I mean, I did it later.
But also, yeah, her fucking fault.
It's it was Amy's fault.
And I blame her.
It's boring as shit.
And also so sexist.
Yes.
But like also boring.
If it's sexist, and at least interesting, I can get hooked and read it and then be mad.
Or if it's like,
boring and not sexist, at least I'm not Matt.
But like, I was just like, this is not what I was promised.
This was edgy.
This was cool.
But it does make the future fight between Paris and Jess like so rewarding.
So yes, yes.
Sylvia Plath, much better.
Yes, I think no argument.
She's like really like, trying to establish them as like, what is it like, pick me girls is what they call them now, right?
Like the the youth call them that.
I don't know what that is.
Okay.
I've never heard that.
Well, that's because you're not a youth and you don't spend as much time like on the stupid parts of the internet as me.
Yeah, Holly is an influencer.
Shut up.
I'm not like,
But my code for parade is HollyEvanMarie, you can save 20% No, Tuna!
Tuna is Holly's cat, by the way Baby girl, I know, it broke, you broke your toy, this is what happens when we break things
Okay, so a pick me girl is a person who tries to be different to impress men.
They don't necessarily have tons of girlfriends or they're like, I don't like girl stuff.
And so this is an old trope, obviously, but the the girlies have been calling it like the pick me girl.
So it's just like, like, I'm not like other girls, like that whole thing.
So I think they were trying to establish them as that, like, immediately.
Like, yeah, it seems that way.
They read Jack Kerouac.
They're different.
They're moody.
But they also in the same sentence reference RuPaul.
Yes, and it's really interesting.
Okay, so and that's our first gay reference of the series.
And it's interesting because RuPaul was like famous, like, but I'm a cheerleader would have come out right.
But he wasn't like RuPaul, like there was no drag race.
There was no like,
RuPaul industrial complex, right?
Like, I'm not sure.
Well, because RuPaul was kind of at that point known for being almost like a side character in a few of those movies.
Yeah, so it wasn't like the reference now is like, oh, this is like a very mainstream gay reference.
But then I don't think it, it was like, it was for gay people.
Like, I think that gay people would be like, yeah, I obviously know RuPaul.
But is this, this was on written for gay people.
This was written for women.
Um, like straight ladies.
Yes, Christian girl fall.
So that was like, they know RuPaul was so I think it was probably educational.
And it's interesting because it has like the, the girly and the like,
I like Jack Kerouac.
I make gay references.
But here's 17 flavors of lip gloss.
So like it's really doing something there.
I also want to note and I always forget this, but Luke calls her a junkie when she asked for coffee.
That's very inappropriate.
And also the only time they ever referenced that town in real life would have been full of people on drugs and who are poor and this is the closest they ever get to mentioning that besides when Paris does her investigation.
So I just want to note that also, just like, just how far we've come and what is acceptable for just regular people to say, like, no.
Yeah, I've lived in rural towns that have had a lot of drug problems, but I feel like Connecticut might be different.
Because it's so rich.
I've been to those towns in New Hampshire, but in Connecticut, not so much.
I guess it depends though, because there are parts of Harper that are super poor that we never see talked about New Haven is super poor, obviously, like, so, and I they do make fun of New Haven eventually.
Um, so I don't know, but I'm just there are bougie small towns, I've been made aware of them.
And I know like beach towns or sometimes like this, but I'm just like,
I agree, I agree.
The town would be very different in real life.
It would not support a bookstore, stationery store, a makeup store, a cat themed store, which I would like to visit.
It would not support any of those things.
Maybe a combo of all in one that also serves coffee.
and could barely pay rent and was like subsidized by the government.
But anyway, this is a ramble.
But anyway, nice people could call people junkies on TV.
That seems weird to me now.
I feel like that's very 2001, though.
This came out 2000, 2000.
OK.
Yeah, because that was like a normal thing to call people like if they were really into something, they're a junkie in the 2000s.
Dear God.
Yeah, it was.
I remember.
I remember people would say it.
The things nice people could just say or like people who thought they were nice, you know what I mean?
Could say has very much changed.
OK, so we also have.
Oh, wait, I want to know something else.
The town looks totally different in that opening scene because they shot it in Canada.
Oh, yes.
Yeah.
It's not the WB set yet.
No.
Or CW, whatever.
Um, yeah, so that's super weird.
But then we go to the Independence Inn, and Laura is in one of her hideous suits.
I'm sorry.
I know that like, it's described in the script as a chic suit.
I'm like, Amy, like, it's very clear that you wear like a, like that hat all the time because of what you think is like, I don't know the way she describes the clothes.
I'm just like, you would wear a top hat at all times.
Anyway, she's
Lorelai is chic and I'm like, ew, ew, girly.
And then they make fun of, and this kills me, they make fun of Rory's beautiful white sweater, calling him Moo Moo, which obviously is establishing Rory as a girl who like, doesn't care as much about fashion, but does like lip gloss.
Um, the thing that's funny about, have you, you know about the sweater, right?
And how it's heavy?
Oh, obviously.
Yeah.
I didn't know the other thing, right?
Like,
Because Belly wore it, right?
So she wore the same sweater and this summer I turned pretty and now all the girlies are buying this sweater which I will link on Amazon.
It goes up to XXL but it's on Amazon and so I don't trust them so I haven't bought it yet but the sweater is having a cultural resurgence and it's really funny because we're always supposed to be like dowdy and like
wearing her muumuu and there lies the chic person in the suit with the tiny skirt.
But now it's like, I feel like this doesn't last that long, though.
I feel like Rory very quickly becomes like into fashion, doesn't she?
Like she like knows things.
They say she does, but then they dress horribly.
So that always confused me about the show, because it wasn't even in fashion then until maybe like the fifth or sixth season.
And I will say like Rory's outfit in that in this episode, to me reads almost as like, like 2000s fuck boy, like her choker, like that weird leather choker mixed with that chunky sweater looks like I feel like maybe Yeah, and I love a little lesbionic.
I'm just saying.
I also justice for that leather backpack because this is the only time we see it.
And it's beautiful.
And they switch her to that God awful yellow one, which I know is probably more practical.
But spoiler alert, she gets a yellow backpack.
Also, was me pretty cool.
Because in that opening conversation, you know, she's pissed because she can't find her Macy Gray CD or like stole it was like this like an attempt to be cool.
Or was this an attempt to be like we like normal pop culture to I wasn't
I think it's relating to normal, normal pop culture because like, I knew that song before I watched this.
Yeah, it was on my now.
That's what I call music CD.
There was no number.
It was just now.
Yeah, and it was on the radio.
Like I knew, I knew it.
I listened to it.
Like it wasn't.
It wasn't a niche reference like a lot of the other stuff that
That's what I thought, but I just wanted to make sure because I wasn't like paying attention like that closely at the time.
Okay, so they like normal things too.
But then they also make the Officer Krupke reference, which I think is Yes, I love that.
I love that.
Officer Krupke.
So because he's like grumbling about the coffee or something.
Um, yes.
Officer Krupke, obviously from West Side Story.
There's, you know, the number in West Side Story, Officer Krupke.
Well, it establishes that Amy knows more than just just literature and random pop culture facts that she also knows, like old, not quite full old Hollywood yet, but like old Hollywood references as well.
And musicals, right?
And musicals.
a musical, which is like a huge thing that comes up.
Even as a not like, I mean, I like some musicals, but I'm not like a musical person.
But the other thing I wanted to know was the song was sung by Leonard Cohen, which I know because I like gave tours and a Leonard Cohen exhibition many years ago in one of my weird jobs.
And I also think this could be Amy like establishing, like her
like she is half do it not that you can be half Jewish but like because her mom is not Jewish so she's not technically Jewish but she is Jewish her dad is Jewish grew up in New York was a comic did the whole Maisel thing right like the yes did those tours actually and that's how she
got into comedy and I think it might also be like her like asserting like knowledge of like Jewish references here.
So I didn't even know that Leonard Cohen sang the song.
I've only seen it in West Side Story.
Yeah.
Um, I know weird things about Leonard Cohen, and I'm so convinced he's gay.
I mean, I love Leonard Cohen.
I can play Hallelujah on guitar as well.
Well, maybe we'll do that later.
But is West Side Story gay?
I would argue yes, because of Sondheim.
That's what I was thinking.
And also because of the movie, because of Natalie Wood, because like, I feel like Oh my God, it's Natalie Wood.
Sorry.
Yes, I know.
I can't wait.
I feel like knowing that musical and referencing Officer Krupke in 2000, I feel like, I don't know, there's some gay cred there.
Yes, also a movie is not and musical are not, you know, gay, but well, but aren't like musicals kind of just part of gay culture, too?
Yes, especially from that era.
Yeah.
So I'm like, OK, like it's not singing in the rain, but like it's.
Yeah.
Yeah.
And it's not like a Mitzi Gaynor variety special.
But like, I do think, OK, so that's two gay references because we said we would count, right?
Okay, Macy Gray, not a gay reference.
Apparently she's like transphobic now.
Like, I saw that in your notes.
I did not know that.
That's so sad.
Yeah, well, I mean, they did kind of just go what how do you define a woman and she was like someone with a vagina.
So I do think they blindsided her in this interview.
But I just not know.
I know.
Old now she's like mom, like our parent age old.
So I don't know.
But I'm hopeful that she'll learn.
But who knows?
So back to the Independence Inn, right?
Like we're introduced to Michelle, our favorite character, one of our favorite characters, one of my favorite characters.
Yes.
And they established that this man is straight so quickly in a way that is almost unnatural, I feel.
Yeah, he's extremely obviously gay, like from the moment.
I'm going to play just the sound from this, if that's OK.
Independence Day, we're still speaking.
No, I'm sorry, we're completely booked.
We have a wedding party here.
No, there is really nothing I can do.
Yes, I'm sure.
A positive.
No, I don't have to look, ma'am.
Yes, of course I look.
No, I'm sorry, we're completely booked.
Okay, skipping ahead.
What is your offspring doing?
Okay, that's what I wanted.
Sorry.
That's a line.
Because he's so evidently gay and he's out in or by
clear, whatever.
And he's out in the reboot, right?
But we do not speak of primarily, but you know, like, he is gay, but they had to so quickly be like, I'll tell the ladies what a study you are.
And he's like, that message has been sent.
Amy was like, we got to put that in there.
We got to make sure.
And it's probably the WB that was like, you need to put that in there.
Yeah, like let's make this obviously queer coded character straight immediately.
Like within the where are we in the show?
Like this is literally seven.
It's six fifty five, six minutes.
Wow.
That we have to establish the straightness of the gay, the clearly gay character.
Clearly gay character.
And I also think making him have the French accent at like they they were like, if he's not gay, he's French.
Yeah, because like Europeans wear fanny packs and sound gay.
Like, I don't know what they like, the people thought like, European, you know, the idea that Americans thought that like, all Europeans sounded gay.
Yes.
Yeah, which was also really weird.
But I don't know, I just like was like, wow, like, we get there really, really early.
And it's also funny, because
Like Michelle is like kind of like a side character, right?
Like, but he's introduced like before so many people, like.
Yeah, yeah, he is.
He's introduced very quickly.
I mean, Suki before or.
No, he's first.
That's the thing.
They don't go to the kitchen.
Yeah.
Yeah.
After and she's breaking stuff or is there a fire?
I think there are multiple things.
There's a fire later in the episode.
First, she's just like clumsy.
Oh, and she rips her stitches open, I believe.
Yes, yes.
I think she may need to seek medical help twice this episode.
So yes, clumsy comic relief, like very obviously.
And I have a good friend to Lorelai as well.
Like that's established very fast too.
and undeserved because Orla is a shit friend.
I do have a controversial take.
I love Melissa McCarthy, but I wish Alex Borstein had played Sookie.
I knew that's what you were going to say.
I knew that's what you were going to say.
I like that it's Melissa McCarthy.
I love Alex Borstein.
I think Sookie would have been gayer if Alex Borstein played her, even though Alex Borstein is out as straight, which, you know.
I don't believe that, whatever.
She's come out as straight multiple times.
I know, but the fact that you have to come out as straight is telling.
Yeah, it's a small group that has had to do that.
Natasha Lyonne is among them.
Yeah, also, oh my god, Natasha Lyonne.
Um, she also though, is recently divorced.
So here's hoping just to clarify, it's okay.
If you're straight.
I just sometimes I'm like, I want to marry you.
So like, could you not be you know, like, and I know she's like, older now, but whatever.
Okay, I mean, I wish she was Suki.
Maybe I wish she just was also a permanent member of the cast.
I agree because I think the characterization of Sookie, like that character, Melissa McCarthy is perfect for, I think.
I think Alex Borstein could have been another town, like a person living in the town, and that would have been a welcome addition.
Yeah, I mean, Drella is also great, right?
But Drella is there for three episodes, and it's all MTV's fault, as was everything.
Also, for people who don't know, who aren't crazy like us and know all of this stuff already, Alex Borstein was originally cast as Sookie.
And she then had to get out of it because she couldn't get out of her contract with MADtv because she was on MADtv.
She also is the voice of Lois Griffin forever, which I choose to forgive her for because dear God.
And she was in The Marvelous Mrs. Maisel, but her best ever role.
The Lizzie McGuire movie, right?
The Lizzie McGuire movie.
Yes, yes.
Yes, I watched that last week during the tropical storm here with my roommate, because we were like, it's it's it's Hurricane Hillary, we have to watch Hillary Duff.
And we watched that.
Yes.
Oh my god, Hillary Duff.
Okay, enough with that.
But yes, um, so
And I also think Sookie is great in the first couple seasons and then but we'll see what happens to Sookie and it's not her fault.
It's the writer's fault, right?
Like Melissa McCarthy can make anything funny, which is yes.
Sookie and Lane are done dirty in the show and it drives me nuts.
Let's talk about Lane.
What is Lane doing?
Yes.
OK.
Lane is a rock music fan.
That's the first thing that's said about her when she's on screen, basically.
But then she makes an Eminem reference immediately.
Yeah, so I'm like, okay, is this just like showing that she likes all sorts of inappropriate music or that?
I mean, rock.
I mean, her mother probably thought it was rock.
Yeah, well, this is 2000 Lane is wearing a Woodstock 99 t shirt, which would have just happened a year before a long sleeve shirt, which I think is how people knew you liked music at the time, like everyone would wear a band t shirt over a long sleeve shirt.
And I don't really know how that how <div><br></div><div>I just did that, because most of what I wore in high school, like later in high school was like t shirts and jeans.</div>
And I didn't want to not wear my cool t shirt.
So I just put a long sleeve shirt under it.
Yeah, so I think it's like, because you want to show off the band shirt, right?
Like, I was never like, I mean, I had band shirts, but I wasn't like that.
I grew up in Austin.
I grew up going to live music and trying to be like, I have cred, you know, music.
Well, at that time, I was in Baltimore.
We don't want to talk about that.
But anyway, uh, no, but but she's got a Woodstock 99 shirt.
Rory is like,
saying she's a rock music fan.
And then she says her mom wouldn't understand Eminem.
Yeah.
So there's a lot going on there.
Yeah.
I mean, I think she likes all like a lot of genres.
I think her mother probably thinks Eminem is rock music.
Just Mrs. Kim is it's evil.
And also he had just put out the Marshall Mathers LP.
And it was like that was really controversial.
Do you remember that?
No, I remember.
I remember the LP, but I don't remember like the moment it came out because I think I was a little too young.
It came out in 2000.
Slim Shady came out before 99.
But the Marshall Mathers LP is the one where there's like a reference to the Columbine.
Like parents were very mad.
I mean, Eminem has never been inappropriate, but I think this one was like controversial.
Eminem was kind of inappropriate, though.
Like I remember in elementary school, my friends would like circulate the those albums around and we would like borrow them from each other and listen to them like it was like a contraband.
Oh, no, he was.
But I'm saying I think this was even more so.
It wasn't just like sexist and gross.
It was like, let's reference a school shooting.
And this is also the EP in which the song Stan appears, which is the origin of Stanning and is a Eminem song about a stalker.
So if you didn't know, <div><br></div><div>here's the thing about Eminem.</div>
I still kind of like those songs.
He's so talented.
He's so good.
I mean, I know some of them are really gross, but I still really kind of love those songs
I like how much he loves his daughter.
And like, Lose Yourself is still like, you know, yes, I'm going to be like about to give a job talk at some fancy school or something.
And like listening to Lose Yourself like that is the best pump up song.
Like I may have to go watch 8 Mile after this.
So like, I love Eminem, but like, like Mrs. Kim would not be the only one to be like, no, Eminem, like especially in this
Yeah, in this town.
Which we'll meet later, but would like be like, no, but so maybe it's just also it's establishing that she likes all music and she's wearing a Woodstock 99 t shirt.
What is the significance of that, Janet?
Okay, well, first, I also think that I also think that it's establishing Lane as like a rebel, like she's not going to listen to her authority figures, but she's still going to this hayride thing.
So obligations, but she's also rebelling.
Like she respects her mother, but she doesn't want to live her life.
Yeah, and she would rather lie and change shirts and do all of that than have to deal with her wrath, which would probably be pretty bad.
Yeah, so Woodstock 99 was an attempt to revive Woodstock, which was, you know, the music festival in 1969.
Summer of Love, a hippie festival, infamous in 1999.
However, very poorly planned.
No planning, in fact, not enough.
There was not enough water, there was not enough food, it was going to be a three day fest and
It was basically sold out.
Everyone was very excited.
And then the bands that they chose for it were mostly these like ultra masculine, like alt rock and metal bands.
And but then they also had artists like a few women artists like Alanis Morissette.
So you had this group of like,
really gross macho guys coming to see Limp Bizkit and scream and like set things on fire.
And then you had these like like Alanis women fans.
It was a recipe for disaster and no water and not enough bathrooms.
People died.
Yeah.
So why would she be wearing a shirt to this?
Because she certainly did not go.
Absolutely not.
She did not.
I think those shirts ended up being like everywhere because the festival was such a disaster.
You could just buy them anywhere.
So I don't know if Lane just bought it to be like, I know music, or if whoever dressed her for this episode was like, it's Woodstock, like Lane's a music person, and they didn't think it through.
Or maybe they did.
And maybe it's just like, she didn't go.
But like, she would have known about it.
She would have been like, team Atlantis, I think, right?
Yeah, supposedly, but like the majority of that fest was like Limp Bizkit, Metallica.
It was very much.
I mean, they do love Metallica on this show.
That is true.
That is established as well.
Very soon.
Not this episode, I don't think, but.
And also, okay, there's this really fun British store that does like, funny and cute, like, t shirts.
And they have one that says live, laugh, Limp Bizkit.
I don't even like Limp Bizkit, but I want it because it's so funny.
Well, anyway.
Yeah.
Durs is such an asshole, though.
It's just funny.
Like, I'm just like,
Oh, that's the other thing about Woodstock 99 I should have mentioned, like during the Limp Bizkit set, Fred Durst was like encouraging, you know, they did that song, their famous song, like break, what is it?
Break some shit or whatever, where they're like shouting and telling people to break shit.
Clearly, really big fans of Limp Bizkit.
I'm clearly a gay woman.
Hold on.
Break stuff.
It's called break stuff.
Okay, they did that song.
And people in the audience started they were so upset and tired.
And everyone was covered in shit because there were no bathrooms and the mud was like everywhere.
They were breaking the walls down.
around the festival, setting things on fire and crowd surfing on parts of the walls.
And it turned into this huge, like, essentially riot and Limp Bizkit never stopped playing, never said anything, kept screaming, break stuff.
And essentially inciting this riot.
And that was like, the moment where Woodstock 99, like really lost it.
And after that, like people were getting heatstroke people, a couple people died in a mosh pit, like,
So that was like what it's known for.
So Lane is trying to establish herself probably as like a badass, but like a badass in Stars Hollow with a strict Christian Seventh-day Adventist mother.
So she's hayriding with a future proctologist.
And so she has, you know, a chance, right?
Yeah.
What does she say, or what does Lane say to Rory?
Like, my mother doesn't trust single women.
Yet.
Who is Mr. Kim?
Anyway.
We never see Mr. Kim, though.
But it's just so funny.
Mrs. Kim is the most single.
One of my favorite lines uttered by her.
Boys don't like funny girls.
Oh, also when Rory's in Stars Fallow High, should we talk about that?
I think I can probably do the scene which might be like too much but like, I bet it's a love letter or her diary.
It could be a slam book.
It's the assignment.
They all have glitter polish on their nails.
Yes.
things would be more interesting, I believe.
But she's just smiling because she knows she gets escaped.
But again, we do associate femininity with stupidity here, which is very confusing because Lorelai hyper feminine, yeah, and smart.
So it's just like very mixed messaging.
But these girls are not exactly, you know, but I do.
They're like breathy voices.
I bet it's love.
or her diary.
Fairly pre-Mean Girls because they say a slam book, not a burn book.
But anyway, true, true slam book.
And then, you know, we go back to the end and we find out where's Rory going?
She's going to Chilton.
Rory's going to Chilton!
And to clarify, Lorelai did not do it with that bastard.
But I love how they established Lorelai as like kind of slutty right away, too.
Yeah, it's like, it's like a media like, okay, Michelle's straight, Lorelai's a hoe, and Blaine likes bad music.
And Rory's not like other girls.
Not like other girls.
She's writing about Huck Finn.
And Moby Dick.
Not yet.
We haven't gotten there yet.
Okay, we're not there yet.
Spoiler alert.
So she's all this is also a Britney reference.
So you should talk about that.
I'm going to be in a Britney Spears video.
That's what she says.
It's definitely no string over that.
Yes.
I mean, this is how many years?
Three years after Hit Me Baby One More Time.
What year did that come out?
I think it was 96, 97.
Two years.
I was close.
Max Martin cannot be stopped.
Jesus Christ.
That's who did that.
He did.
Yeah.
Yeah, but he's still doing like, Jesus Christ.
Okay, anyway, so the pop factory remains.
But yeah, so two years.
So that was a pretty relevant reference.
In 2000.
I was obsessed with Britney and I, my sibling does probably have video, a mini DV of me doing the baby one more time dance.
If you pay for our sub stack, I'll put that on there.
This is we're enticing you.
So but again, they know, you know, they're nerds, but they also know pop culture.
Like I think that's what we're establishing.
They're not one of the girls except they are like, it's very weird.
But also everybody would know Britney in 2000.
Yes, but like, it's just, they aren't like too snobby to like,
reference, I guess, like, it's not like they like her, like, but it's like they also establishing them as like quippy.
And like, their responses to things are witty and topical.
And people need to look them up like we did as children.
Yes, I already knew Brittany, for the record.
I think that's probably the one I knew.
No, I had probably written Stephen King, but that comes later.
Michelle Devan.
Yes.
Can you answer it?
No, people are particularly stupid today.
I can't talk to any more of them.
So I bring that up because that was my AIM away message for all of eighth grade.
And I am still like, that is so clever of me.
Like, that's so funny.
So anyway, job, Holly.
Thank you.
13 year old Holly was like, my AIM away messages, which some of you may not even know what that means.
I don't even know how to explain what that is.
Okay, I can explain it.
I can explain it.
So, um, you know, like text now, when that didn't exist, or it did, but only for very rich people.
And it was T9 texting then.
There was instant messaging on the computer when you would go to a computer lab, or if you were lucky enough to have one desktop in your home, you would go message your friends.
So the away message was kind of like, you weren't completely logged off, but you were away, you had to go to a chore, your brother needed to do something stupid on the computer.
So you would get the messages later, right?
And they would get your away message, kind of like an answering machine recording or something.
But they were often very dumb, like, Holly loves insert boy, because I thought I was straight.
So I was like 27 to clarify, whatever.
I did not for the record.
Do we should tell her gay origin story?
Anyway, no.
Janet has known she was gay since the dawn of time and Holly is not is the story.
But anyway, so I made that mine and it just was the best because honestly, I feel like that every single day.
So and that's one of my favorite Michelle lines.
Yeah, and we would have been friends because I would have known that reference and been like, that's great.
It would have been like, who is this dork?
Straight girl, but you would have known I wasn't straight.
But like a closet.
I would have helped you.
I would have helped you realize that.
But also you would have been like, why is she like, why doesn't she do draw?
Like, I don't know.
Like, I was like, so boring.
I wasn't boring inside of me.
But the projected to the world was very
Yeah, but I'm also neurodivergent.
I feel like I can, you would have known I would have known something would have felt some sort of kinship.
Yes, the autistic child kinship, but I don't know what the fuck was going on.
But
I love that.
I thought I was so witty.
I was witty.
No one else got it.
I got it.
So anyway, that's the story of my AIM away message.
Weird friends.
We would have been great internet friends.
I think had we found I agree with that.
I agree with that for sure.
I had a lot of internet friends in like the mid 2000s too.
So a lot of like,
I had an internet boyfriend who I'm pretty sure is like 70 now, but oh, I had one, too.
I had one, too.
I had multiple different times.
Whatever.
Yeah, I know.
But I didn't come out till 15.
Oh, I didn't know that because you knew.
OK.
OK.
So, OK.
I had an experimental phase, Holly.
That's what I'm having now.
31 and like almost 32.
OK.
We have digressed.
Okay, so we go back to Starz Hall of High.
Rory is cleaning out her locker.
And dear God, did people keep this much stuff in their locker?
Because mine was like mill doing newspapers and gym uniforms.
Mine was full of shit and total mess.
Okay, well like hers is like books and I guess she's- Oh, no, no, no.
Yeah, she's got way too much stuff.
Yeah, I was like, did you like move into this locker?
Also, it was a half locker, I think, and it wouldn't fit, but she's like on the ground and there's like, blah, blah.
And then there's someone looming over her.
And then she makes a Rosemary's Babies reference.
She says, God, you're like Ruth Gordon with the Tannis Root.
And then he's like, Rosemary's Baby, that's a good movie.
And she is just so surprised in that moment that someone knew her reference, I think.
that she's like, yes, because she ignores so many, so many red flags.
And she's fully uninterested until he makes the reference.
And then she's like, he's like me.
He knows my references.
And I do get that because like, if I saw anyone with a book, like in high school, I was like, immediately like, not like in love with them, but like, intrigued enough to inquire.
I completely get it as well because I'm obsessed with old Hollywood and I have been since I was 13.
And not a lot of 13 year olds were obsessed with old Hollywood around me.
And so if I found one person that knew like what the thin man was, then suddenly I was like, you're going to be my best friend.
OK, so I'm going to play the scene for a little bit because it's just absurd.
But yeah, it was definitely like, oh, you're literate.
More Best Friends.
That was my standard.
It also, for me, reads like like she doesn't have a lot of friends.
And when someone relates to her like that, she's just like immediately in.
Which does lead, I think, sometimes to her being taken advantage of.
But OK, I'm going to play this clip.
God.
You're like Ruth Gordon, just standing there with a tennis root.
Make a noise.
Rosemary's baby.
Yeah.
Well, that's a great movie.
You got good taste.
Okay, the complimenting her taste too.
No, just my books are.
My family just moved here from Chicago.
Chicago.
Windy.
Windy.
Yeah, yeah, that's the place.
I'm Dean.
Hi.
Oh, Rory, me.
That's, that's me.
Yep.
Rory.
Okay, good.
I do relate to her.
I do too.
In this scene.
I get it.
About the job.
You should check with Miss Patty.
She teaches dance.
She was actually on Broadway once.
I don't really dance much.
No, no.
She just kind of knows everything that's going on in town.
She'll know if someone's looking.
Oh.
Great.
Thanks.
Hey, what are you doing now?
Nothing.
Much.
Because he's a man
So do you like cake?
What?
They make really good cakes here.
They're very round.
Okay, I'll remember that.
Good.
Make a note.
You wouldn't want to forget where the round cakes are.
So how do you like Moby Dick?
Oh, it's really good.
Yeah.
Yeah, it's my first Melville.
Cool.
I mean, I know it's kind of cliche to pick Moby Dick as your first Melville, but
Hey, how did you know I was reading Moby Dick?
Uh, well, I've been watching you.
Watching me?
I mean, I've been watching you.
Watching you sort of way.
I just noticed you.
Me?
Yeah.
When?
Every day.
After school, you come out and you sit under that tree there and you read.
Last week, it was Madame Bovary.
This week, it's Moby Dick.
But why would you?
Because you're nice to look at.
Okay, I'm gonna go vomit quickly.
But yes, I understand Rory's character in the scene a lot, though, like her reactions to things like her awkward, it's cute until this like, because until I'm watching you, I've been watching
Yeah, couldn't they have been like, he'd been like, um, like, I've noticed you reading like, a lot or like, I don't know, there's so many ways to say that, like, um, really could have just said, Oh, I saw you under the tree with Moby Dick the other day, like, you don't have to say, I've been watching you every day.
And like the way he like, it really goes with the Ruth Gordon thing, but also run, Rory, this is your sign run.
Also, we are very anti Dean here.
We are anti-Dean, yes, we are.
We are pro-Paris, but just in the rankings of the Dean is very low.
And is probably the lowest for me as far as Rory's love, potential love interests and actual love interests.
Of both, like Lorelei and Rory.
Oh, agreed, agreed, agreed.
Yes.
It's hard because Jason Stiles exists.
Yes.
But no, she comes off actually as like a little neurodivergent here, maybe.
And also just like the really round cakes and her connecting over her special interests, I was going to say, also feels very neurodivergent, like Rosemary's baby.
Yeah, I know.
It's very.
And also the fact that, like, she's yelling at him for standing there before
It's just funny.
And she does look cute.
I forget before she gets a chill on you, you know, the tights and the like combat boots like she's also the Dean's baggy cargo pants.
Very 2000.
It's just the epitome of like, 2000 golden boy who's actually horrifying and probably under percent.
But yeah, so but in this scene, we do get like a lot of insight into Rory's interests.
She looks cute.
She likes cake.
She loves movies, clearly, and books.
Woby Dick, which that is a gay as shit reference, as well as just like, it's my first Melville and I know that's cliche, like she's aware, like, and it's the first like,
I think time in the script where they're like talking through their awareness of like what these mean like this is cliche I know I'm a little embarrassed like it's clear that Rory's done a lot of like research into literature that she doesn't just like read things like she knows like their place in the lexicon of literature as well like Madame Bovary like you know like I not my thing but like also very like you know depressed suicidal
shopaholic.
I don't know.
It's a vibe.
It's giving a vibe.
And I think we're up to three gay references in this very straight, apparently straight show.
So yes, yeah.
For if you include Rory's leather choker.
I think which I think it should, I think it should be.
Then there we go.
Okay.
Um, okay.
We completely skipped though, um, over the the Gilmore's.
Yes.
The capital G Gilmore's.
The capital G Gilmore's when Lorelay goes to ask for Rory's tuition.
I love this scene in which it's just like, you need money.
Well, it's Rory got into Chilton, you need money.
I just the deposit is due on Monday.
So you need money.
Like I just Yes, like Richard and Lorelei's dynamic, which is very strange in this episode.
And I mean, it's it's not it gets much less strange through the series.
But I do feel like that like quippy like thing is like always there.
And this is what you know,
It's very clear Lorelai and Rory get their wittiness, their quickness from their parents because Emily and Richard are very quick.
Oh yeah, she owns the door.
It's Easter already.
And then Richard with his newspaper.
It's a Christmas already.
Like I'm just like, dear God.
Just and then when Lorelai tells
or not, when Emily tells Richard about business school and, and Emily's like, she's sure she told us and like, damn, like, well, if you're sure then you must have.
And this isn't to say that they weren't assholes to her.
They are but also it's so funny.
Like they're so good at just like, but they give her the check like honestly, like,
I don't know, because in the beginning of the episode, Lorelai's like, that's a lot of zeros behind that five, which means that tuition was $50,000, which, you know what, I would go to, I would do a lot more than go to dinner.
for $50,000.
Yes, yes.
I mean, my I went to private school, but my private school was like 130th as expensive as that 140th.
There's no way it was $5,000.
Like that's no, like she bought that from Luke or like, I don't know, like that is an achievable sum of money to borrow from not your rich parents, right?
But like, $50,000 is not and so
Like, I slept with the headmaster for $50,000.
Like, oh, no question.
Yeah.
For 50,000 at this point.
I'm just like, yes, it's manipulative.
It's also like.
That's a lot of fucking money, Lorelei.
So.
Yeah.
And.
She is upset that there are conditions, but also for that much money, I mean.
That's like one phone call.
Yeah.
One phone call.
One weekly phone call.
Come on.
and the Friday night dinner, I would be more mad that it was on Friday.
So I'd be like, could it be like Thursday?
Because like, or like, can we make this midweek?
That's what my question would be.
Yes.
Like what if there's a Friday is a prime time?
Yeah.
Like, or like Sunday, even like, just like not also Emily's always like, like throwing like, big parties and gallows aren't some like, you know what I mean?
Like, I feel like she would need a weekday dinner too.
So that feels whatever but you see then like that
while Richard is like, I'll get the checkbook.
Emily is the one who's like on one condition.
You know, she is she said so close.
Yeah, so you can tell like, you know, they've been through this before, maybe like Lorelai knows that their money comes with conditions and that going to see them comes with conditions.
She's prepared that it might not have come with as many if it had just been her dad.
She's the best and I would hope so since before you agreed that I am her, Paris, and Lorelai combined which is like the trifecta of crazy but
Emily's one of my favorite characters, even though she does do some things that are kind of unredeemable, the fabulousness, and that is what I associate with you, the fabulousness, the quickness.
She's amazing.
She's so smart.
She but and she know, like, sometimes she's manipulative for evil, but she's also manipulative for good.
And I love when people do like, oh, it's so fun.
Yes, and it's interesting here too, because obviously, you know, Rory decides she doesn't want to go to chill him.
Right?
Because of Dean, she found her stalker.
And again, run to your God, I've been watching you, like, pick a different line, Amy, because we know Amy liked Dean, we think right?
Because otherwise, she wanted us to like him.
which she did a horrific job of in the second season.
But in the beginning, like, we're like, besides that line, like, he's a boring, but good boyfriend, you know, and, you know, so she decides she says a lot about Amy's taste then.
It's Yeah, I'm like, is she not team Jess?
Like, I always thought Jess didn't win because Jess left the show to be on Heroes.
But
Oh no, and then she teased us with Jess on Maisel, never forgive her.
If she doesn't write a show for him, where he gets, I don't know, becomes the lesbian lover of someone, I'm gonna be pissed.
Like that's what I need her to do for me.
Because I've been in love with him since, you know, the dawn of time.
So anyway, I know, I know.
You do?
Well not our listeners don't know that in eighth grade I made a PowerPoint presentation on Milo Ventimiglia 20 years before he got like big famous.
So anyway, I was Holly was head of the curve.
If Milo was looking for a wife or a husband or a concubine, I am all any of it's fine.
Like anything, it's fine.
So anyway, it's just so beautiful.
Anyway, OK, so I was obsessed with Lauren Graham, but Jess is my favorite of the male Rory love interests.
I don't know if I've ever been as obsessed with like both an actor and a character as I was with Jess like it was definitely like autistic crazy like special interest as well as like a crush as well as just like like that is my type like still even in women it's my type like and I don't know like men who dress like lesbians or women who dress like
lesbians or men, really loud music and read a lot and are mean to me.
Like that is my type.
And it has stayed my type for 20 years.
So I think I just like like, loud, quippy, smart women.
Yeah, I mean, well, of course that you're in love with her.
No, I like, you know what I like.
It's always like, I do.
It's such a thing.
It is like a thing.
Like, anyway, um, and I think Jess was like the origin of that maybe, or actually, maybe it was Bernard the elf, but that's a whole other problem.
Um, from the Santa Claus.
Oh, he was my first crush.
Everyone knew even my dad, my dad started calling me Bernard in kindergarten.
I love that.
Oh my god.
I just was excited.
I didn't even know what it was.
I was like, I feel fluttery.
Okay, yeah.
So I read the script, the screenplay, whatever it's fucking called, even wouldn't know that.
I don't know.
And when she's, when they go into the living room, the stage directions say like, they go into the living room, it's Citizen Kane ish.
And this is the most like Amy Sherman Palladino, like, next to Citizen Kane, the like, who is she thinks she
which I'm not dispute.
I know what she's trying to say.
I mean, she's trying to say it's like, you know, the giant Hearst mansion level of cold and empty and like rich people like that vibe is what she's trying to evoke with that line.
But it doesn't feel like that, I don't think.
No, but it also shows like who her influences are and who she wants to be.
Right.
Like it's like 40s.
It's like
I don't know, right?
Like, well, we know that I mean, the length of the script and the way that the script is written, and even the setups in this episode speak to 1930s, 40s Hollywood.
So she knows what she's doing right away.
Yeah, it's very intentional.
But she also like, this isn't to say that she shouldn't, but she thinks a lot of herself, right?
And I think she should think a lot of herself.
But it's very clear, like, she thinks she is with that, like, it is like,
She thinks she's a 1940s, 50s, Oct 4, and she's going with it.
Honestly, if there was enough Amy Sherman Palladino merch, I would have an altar to her.
So... It works.
We should make that.
just like just more merch so I can make it we'll sell the merch and then I'll buy it all and then I'll make an Amy alter and it'll have like a top hat right in the middle of course when you know Helga goes to her like closet with a gum altar like that like level like I would also marry her but unfortunately she's married to Dan and they seem to like each other I did watch the home video of her
Father's Birthday Party.
It's very... I have problems.
Holly's in deep.
Holly's in deep in the Amy lore.
I just love her so much.
Like how could she create these amazing shows and also be so stupid?
Yeah, and I love I love her writing.
I mean, it's the closest thing in modern day that I've seen to like emulating that 30s screwball vibe.
And I think something that like, a lot of people talk about, but like, when you start watching it so young, it like, does influence you.
Like, we both talk extremely fast.
Like, we do.
Yeah.
I don't know.
It's gonna be hell to edit because it's of the overlapping dialogue, by the way.
It's her fault.
Blame it on Amy.
It's Amy's fault that we well, it's Amy's fault.
It's also for me personally, Catherine Hepburn's fault.
Yeah, no, I didn't get that much later.
Before Gilmore Girls, I was a Katherine Hepburn fan.
No, that was like, which honestly probably primed me.
So that's interesting.
No, I was a book fan.
And then it was like, people like books, right?
Rory has books, Rory carries books.
I was a movie fan.
Yeah.
And Gilmore Girls added to that opened me up, because I was getting into Gilmore Girls as I was getting into old Hollywood.
I think it also like introduced me to a lot of music like my weird like love of like 80s stuff.
Yeah, I love XTC.
I'm obsessed with XTC because of the show.
Yeah.
Um, I don't agree with all their music taste, obviously, because me neither.
I like a lot of their music taste and some of it I'm like, okay, but I did go down a ska rabbit hole because of the show because now watching the show.
I know Amy loves ska.
Why though?
Rancid.
I mean, yeah, I personally enjoy a trumpet and I enjoy a trombone.
So I get it.
That's fine.
But also, no.
Also, like, um, pour one out for Luke because yesterday, Jimmy Buffett passed away and I know I know Margaritaville.
is a margarita fan.
It's only been to a couple shows.
I love Jimmy Buffett.
He's just so like, so the nice guy to like, not even just like his music, which is great, but like, just seemed like such a wholesome figure as well.
Yeah and also like just such like kitsch like I feel like it'll eventually be remembered not as like corny or lame but like just as like such a kitschy like vibe I think we missed our two references actually there was a Stephen King earlier in the episode I think it's just like someone says I'm like something I don't remember there's Stephen King reference
and then Zsa Zsa Gabor's house.
Yes.
Yes.
Zsa Zsa Gabor reference.
Oh my god.
It did go in a rabbit hole last night like reading about the like actual women that
Moulin Rouge!
like was based on and then I was looking at the prostitute she played who was a real prostitute in real life and then I there's like a biography of the this is how I know all this weird shit by the way because I do that but yeah so where's your pate yeah that line Suki knows Lorelai Suki knows that Lorelai never has food
Oh, yeah, that's such a good friend.
I need a friend that knows that and can cook.
Me too.
Me too.
I'm open to personal chefs.
I offer friendship and, and psychosis, basically.
Um, and, uh, okay, so Rory wants to not go to Chilton, which I think might actually be foreshadowing.
But we won't talk about that.
Yeah.
And Lorelai is incensed.
Like the amount of pressure that Lorelai puts on Rory to do all of these things that Lorelai felt like she was supposed to do and couldn't because she got pregnant is intense.
But also she didn't want to do them even before she got pregnant.
That's the thing.
That's my thing.
She was rebellious and she was rebelling from all of this stuff that she didn't like and yet she raised Rory.
But she stated very clearly, like, we can finally have a normal mother daughter relationship where I resent her for having everything I didn't have.
And I'm like, bitch, you got it in the first episode.
Like, yes, you've already had this with your mother and you want to replicate this.
And but so much pressure to go to.
But what about Harvard?
And I'm like, yeah,
And it's like, let Rory make these choices.
I don't know, putting all this pressure on her to go to an Ivy League and be this scholar that Lorelai couldn't be and didn't really want to be is just intense to me.
I mean, I know Rory is involved, but also she's a kid.
But yeah, she's a kid and it's like, she would have loved a seven sister and she would not have stolen a goddamn yacht.
Like she would have done great at a Sarah Lawrence.
Like I'm just saying.
Or even like, I mean, she went to Yale, obviously.
And even my school, like Stevens College, like, like a women's college.
There are so many bougie schools.
She could have gone to California.
Like, like, I don't know.
There's so it's so weird.
But like, I do love the like, if you're gonna throw your life away, he better have a motorcycle.
Yes, I love that line.
I love that line.
Tattoos are good, too.
Does he have a motorcycle?
And like, he does.
He does have a motorcycle.
Yes, he does.
And so does Christopher, by the way.
Yes.
Although Christopher's is much nicer because Dean's is an 86 Suzuki.
Well, he's a high schooler, so.
I know.
And poor.
And Chris is a 2000 Indy.
And Chris is rich, so from rich family.
Don't buy it.
This is a spoiler.
Also, I just knew that off the top of my head.
I didn't look it up.
Just fun fact.
I remembered it was a Suzuki, but I didn't remember the year.
Nope.
But my dad rides a motorcycle, so I pay attention to those things.
I know nothing about motorcycles.
I just in my brain.
It just contains this.
So that's one of my favorite lines.
And then they, you know, make the mommy dearest reference, which I love mommy dearest.
Oh, my God.
I know.
Divisive.
Yes, I do.
OK.
I haven't watched it yet and I'm scared to.
Oh, I want to watch it with you.
OK.
What did I watch?
So Mommy Dearest is a Joan should I say for should I say for our listeners?
Yes, because I'm surprised how many people don't know about Mommy Dearest in this year, 2023.
So Mommy Dearest is a book that was written by Christina Crawford about her adopted mother, Joan Crawford, who was one of the biggest
Stars of Old Hollywood, like one of the biggest stars at MGM and then Warner.
She did Mildred Pierce and won an Oscar for it in 1946.
And the book chronicles Christina's account of her as an abusive parent.
And it is very contradictory.
The movie is an adaptation of that.
And it is like
one of the biggest camp classics ever made.
It is shot like a TV movie, shot and directed like a TV movie.
Well, Faye Dunaway plays Joan Crawford as if she is in a 1940s women's picture as Joan Crawford.
She's giving it everything.
She's excellent.
But then it's shot like a TV movie.
And that's where the camp comes in.
It's also very like, it's very part of drag culture now.
It is, it is a part of gay culture.
It immediately became a part of gay culture, not just because of Joan Crawford, because the gays love Joan Crawford, I do, but also because of Faye Dunaway's whole legacy and because of just the hilarity of this film and the way that it's
But it's like very like not just gay, but like very like drag, right?
Like lots of drag queens have been doing Joan Crawford since drag queens have been doing anything.
And since this movie came out, they've been doing Faye Dunaway as Joan Crawford as well.
So the thing is, so one of my favorite movies is Whatever Happened to Baby Jane.
I love that movie.
I'm scared because obviously, so that movie, Betty Davis, Joan Crawford, it's
Terrifying.
It's one of the first films in like the, I mean, kind of derogatory, but in like what they call like psycho bitty horror, which is all these old Hollywood actresses have aged can't get any roles.
And the only roles that they will give them in this era are like horror or B pictures.
Joan Crawford actually found this book for whatever happened to Baby Jane and produced it herself because she thought these characters were actually interesting.
And it's just an aging former child star traumatized her disabled sister, right?
And it's also campy thing and so campy, but I'm just like how much is this gonna resonate with?
Mommy dearest is it gonna freak me out?
So I haven't watched it yet.
I think you would Oh, I think mommy dearest personally.
I just am not like
The other thing to know about it is it's like not real like it's just so yeah it's not like watching trauma it's like yeah yeah it's not like watching abuse trauma it's like watching um like how do I describe it like if your kid put on a play and they never like edited anything I don't know how to describe it it's it's like watching just like a camp masterpiece um
Oh, I love camp.
So we're I will watch that.
Um, and I know the entire script by heart and can perform scenes from it on that.
Um, I want to wait though.
I'll watch it with you again.
Okay, then.
Okay, where my notes?
I have notes.
I know that's hard to believe.
Oh, and then we have the little match girl is one of our last
pop culture references and that is a Hans Christian Andersen story very fucking depressing that was turned into a musical
And if you've never read the Amazon reviews for the book, I highly recommend it because it's all these people who've seen the musical and are like, or like, no, it's a Christmas story.
And you're like, why is this so sad?
This is depressing.
Oh my god, I need a return because I'm sad.
And it's just what that book is known for, though.
Yeah, but people are dumb.
she says.
But yeah, so and that is, so there's some, I don't know, there's some campy references, there's lots of explicitly gay references.
And the book reference total is Kerouac, Moby Dick, Madame Bovary.
I mean, Rosemary's Baby is a book, as is
the Crawford book, right?
That's five, but only one of them was written by a woman.
Christina Crawford, right?
Yeah.
Oh, Stephen King.
It's all dudes.
Again, this like dude thing, they have an issue.
That is, you're absolutely right.
Like, I'm trying to think, I mean, Macy Gray, like they have like, There are women references, but not literary.
So Brittany, Macy Gray,
Brittany and Macy Gray, pop culture.
Yeah.
I mean, RuPaul's a gay reference, but not not a woman.
Yeah.
So I think that they make more references to queer stuff than they do to women, which is an interesting choice for a feminist.
I did air quotes that you can't see.
Great audio.
I think that this tracks for Amy, though, if you follow her other stuff as well.
I feel like she does this.
It's almost like fake feminism.
And then she she also does have a lot of gay references throughout her whole thing.
It's the pick me girl thing.
or whatever you want to call it, right?
I have to like, be cool with the dudes.
Like, just when Dean is like, you have good taste.
And it's like, why do you need approval of this dumb tall man?
You know, you have good taste, bitch.
Like, yes.
Okay, so by the end of the episode, Rory is over here.
And we get to hear
the fight that we will hear over and over again, right?
The origin story, if you will.
Lorelei, pregnant at 16.
Yes.
A child needs a mother and a father.
We were 16.
We wouldn't have made it.
You would have had a beautiful life.
I do.
I'm living a lovely life right now with no help from anyone.
Imagine what you could have done with some help.
Fair point.
Some help.
She could have had some help.
She did have some help, bitch.
Like, she is so bougie.
Anyway, that's another point.
But Rory hears the whole thing.
And also, no, this is like the only time in the entire series I think that Laura, like, cleans anything.
She was furiously scrubbing the dishes.
She wasn't a maid at one point, so I guess she did know how to clean.
For work, yeah.
Her own house?
I just... No, that was Rory.
um poor child but uh yeah so Rory realizes the huge sacrifice her mother made which like okay and decides to go to chill in also realizes that 30 minute drive that she timed is probably not like going to doom her relationship with stalker boy
I also, in that moment, Emily is like, you took her far away from us.
And it's like, you could have gone 30 minutes away to see them.
And you never did.
Like, you didn't even go try to see them.
Like, and also like, that's such an East Coast, like 30 minutes is moving away.
I'm from Texas.
And I drove more than that to go to high school.
Yeah, it's I mean, it's absurd even on the East Coast, but it is definitely like only on the East Coast.
Would someone ever say you took that child and ran?
It's like they moved to California.
They moved to move to like a suburb of the town you're in.
Like it's it's dirty.
Ride the fucking city bus to school every day.
Like if the city bus goes out there, it's close enough for you to find them.
Like, I don't understand.
I mean, I think part of it was like, they didn't tell.
So they probably had to figure out eventually.
And they're rich.
I mean, I'm not saying they did it.
But I'm just saying like, she didn't like say, bye, I'm leaving.
She just like, left with a baby.
I don't think that
But this is the fight that we see over and over again, and I think is most well done.
And my very favorite episode, Friday night's all right for fighting, which yes, agreed in one million years.
But this is the origin story.
And we also see Rory overhear it.
Well, and the the impetus of the fight is Richard bringing up how much he loves Christopher, too, which is interesting.
Speaking of.
It's like a smart man.
You must get it from your dad.
That I would have been pissed off to if I were Lorelei.
Yeah.
Rory's dad who like abandoned her like absent father ex-boyfriend who knocked her up at 16 Let's have a fun day like no like you guys are being dickheads like um I think he's just mad that Lorelai didn't marry him.
Yeah, but it's also because Christopher would have married her if Lorelai had gone along Like he doesn't think for himself.
So he always needed Lorelai to think for him or someone else sharing
Oh, I fucking hate Sherry.
Love that actress, though.
No, I just hate the character.
Yes.
Like the alphabetized CDs kill me now.
But anyway, tuna we do not bite.
You guys, if we keep this in, our listeners can play a drinking game like every time.
How much tuna?
Tuna bites me every time I'm like, tuna bite!
She's having issues.
Anyway, that's Holly's very, very cute cat.
Yeah.
So at the end of the episode, Rory's going to Chilton, still will not reveal information to her mother about the boy, which is funny because obviously Lorelai is going to find out.
She'll spy the Gilmore way.
Yeah.
Also, they live in that town like Jesus Christ.
Everyone knows everything about everyone in that town.
And I get it because I lived in a small town, too.
Um, Rory orders a coffee with chili cheese fries at like 11 o'clock at night, which like disgusting 31 year old stomach like would I have GERD and that would probably kill me.
But oh my god, I didn't have McDonald's for a month.
And so I think my body got used to not having it.
I got so like, I do have McDonald's at least once a week.
And that is one of my toxic tricks, toxic tricks.
Linus well, I love McDonald's.
Oh my god.
Yeah, if it maybe it was just a fluke, but I was so sick.
And I was like, What is the point of the earth if I cannot have a McFlurry?
I ask you.
So anyway, um, yes, I'm lactose intolerant.
Yes, I have IBS.
Yes, I have GERD.
No, I should not.
Me as well.
All three.
Okay.
Um, we got the money for chillin.
They're going back to Friday night dinners.
Oh, also, this is the start.
I feel like we see it earlier in the episode too, but this is kind of the start where we see Rory as the parent in this Lorelai-Rory relationship.
Because she immediately after that fight is like, oh, I can't talk about what I want.
I have to do what Lorelai needs.
I'm going to Chilton.
I'm going to drive home.
I'm going to buy her a coffee.
I'm going to make her feel better.
Yes, and also like Lorelai has to explicitly state like, I know we're doing the friend thing, but now I'm going to do the mom thing, like Monday morning, you'll be there.
And I'm like, you shouldn't have to say that.
I mean, I'm not very like, like, I don't like authoritarian parents, but you need to fucking parent and she does not parent.
Yeah, we also see, you know, her little flirts with Luke.
Like, yeah, it's like you look nice.
The Healing Powers of Bath Behold!
Luke is so much cleaner than them.
Like, anyway.
He is much more hygienic than they are.
And he actually eats healthy.
Like, he has way more together than they do.
He just really likes flannel and probably doesn't shave enough.
Like, give him a break.
Yeah, me too.
I get it.
That you are Luke.
I am.
I am a lot like Luke in a lot of ways.
One way I am like Lorelai is that like, the entire world could be crumbling down around me, but my outfit would be cute.
And I would be like, you know, saying funny shit, but like, and I would be in flannel t shirt jeans and a backwards baseball cap.
Yeah, no, but like, literally everything could have caught fire.
And I would just be like, today, like, you know, like, that's with her.
Um, and with Emily to like, it's like,
But no, you were fabulous.
Oh, God, are they gonna think I'm straight?
Like?
No, they are not.
Holly, are you kidding me?
I talked a lot about Jess.
So I'm just like, Oh, yeah, but you're queer.
It's pretty clear.
Okay.
Am I a Christian fall girl?
You're a Christian fall girl.
Okay, so we're just going to chill in.
Laurie didn't have to sleep with the headmaster and thank God once we meet him.
Oh, Miss Patty, gay icon.
Obviously, she is fabulous.
We didn't even mention her.
Yeah.
And she got him the job at Dosie's.
We're introduced to Dosie's Market.
And that's that's how Lorelei finds out about her gentleman friend or whatever the fuck.
Male friend.
What male friend?
Yes.
And then you get the you better be freaking Flojo.
I'm like, how do you know a sport reference?
She was the fastest woman in the world.
That was like her whole thing.
She died really suddenly.
So yeah, but also they know nothing about sports.
She ran real fast.
Yeah, Laurence Griffin joined her fastest woman in the world.
Ran real fast died really suddenly.
Yeah, they like comically do not know anything about sports.
So true.
They even say it in this episode.
Rory says like, sports not my thing or whatever.
She dressed for gym.
She would dress for gym every day.
Girl needs A's.
Also, she doesn't.
She's a goody goody.
She is not her mother.
Her mother would never dress for gym.
Her mother would have like been making out behind the bleachers.
But anyway.
Oh, 100 percent.
She would have skipped gym.
Lorelai was skipping class probably multiple times a week.
Oh, Lorelai.
But then where do we leave Layne?
We see Layne forlornly on the hayride.
Hopefully not marrying the doctor and
I think that's it, right?
Oh, I do think it's funny Richard was like, Rory, you're tall.
And she's 5'7", which is my height, which is... Lorelai also tall, like Richard tall, like... What did you expect?
Emily, I don't think is particularly tall, but like, this like is not a short family.
Oh, and when they're talking about Dean, Lorelai is like, is he dreamy?
And then she says, that's so Nick at night.
back when that was on and good night and not just friends.
God.
Yes.
Yeah, I watched a good night a lot as a child.
Oh, me too.
Yeah, every school night.
I was watching that.
Yeah, and then it ends on it starts at Luke's and it ends at Luke's it bookends it with Luke's.
Yeah, well, and I'll see it.
Well, spoiler alert, but yeah, that's how they end the series.
The original not the fucking monstrosity that followed but
Yeah, what's your favorite quote from this episode?
I think I might have wrote down some of my notes.
I'm trying to think.
I mean, I do love is it Easter already?
But I don't think that's my favorite.
It might be my favorite, but that's a good opening.
I think the motorcycle is always good.
Yeah, oh, we didn't even talk about well, we kind of did where she goes into that like, because you're me like Lorelai is putting all of herself on Rory.
Yes.
Yeah.
Weird.
Because I should have guessed because after all, you're me.
Should we just end every episode with boys don't like funny girls?
We could.
We aren't girls and we don't care.
We're not girls.
We don't care.
We're funny as hell.
I think, according to us.
And our friends.
I can't do it like she does.
Boys don't like funny girls.
Boys don't like funny girls.
Yeah, I can't do it either.
Okay.
If you're gonna throw your life away, he better have a motorcycle.
I think those are the main ones I wrote down to.
Oh, also, I remember looking up the word flagellation when I first saw this, because I said self flagellation.
And then I was like, Oh, it's a Jesus thing.
And then I was like, that's what flagellation means.
Jesus thing.
Yeah, because you're hurting yourself for someone else.
Oh, I know.
So do you like cake?
Oh, yeah.
And then Luke's red meat can kill you.
Oh, enjoy.
Oh, also, one of my favorite Richard quotes, people lie, we pay people crash cars, we pay people lose a foot we pay.
Yeah, I do also like Suki's where's your pate at Zsa Zsa Gabor's house?
No.
It's so good.
My family moved here from Chicago, Chicago, Wendy, Oprah.
There's so many good ones.
No, I'm sorry.
We're completely booked.
That's also good.
Yeah.
People are particularly annoying today.
I can't do the French accent.
I wish we could do the French accent.
Protestants love oatmeal.
Yeah.
She says, oh, make cookies.
Protestants love oatmeal.
That is a Quaker reference.
Yeah.
It must be, right?
Because Quaker Oats Which, by the way, I found out the other day when I was Googling Quaker Oats were not made, like, they weren't titled that by a Quaker They were titled that by someone who looked up the word Quaker, like, was looking through an encyclopedia to try to come up with a name for his oat company saw Quaker in the encyclopedia and it said a trustworthy person which I find hilarious
No, without it, like I knew it wasn't named by a Quaker because a Quaker, that wouldn't be Quaker-like, but I did not know about the encyclopedia.
That's how I would name something.
She was looking through an encyclopedia.
I love encyclopedias.
Yeah, but yeah, Quakers are Protestant.
So that's that reference.
Yes.
Okay.
Yay.
I'm really sad.
The end.
The End.
I don't know.
I don't know how to end it.
How do people end podcasts?
They usually have like a whole thing that they end it with, like a line or something funny.
And I don't.
And we should also be like, thanks for listening.
Oh, yeah.
Thank thank you for listening.
Anyone made it through this, which, you know.
We love you.
Yeah, thank you so much if you made it through this.
We're figuring it out.
I know everyone says that, but
I think we are.
Um, my new cord for my mic comes today.
Hopefully good because your audio is kind of scratchy.
I'm excited for your new audio.
Oh, thanks.
Keep that and I'm Milo.
I am accepting marriage proposals.
And, um, Amy, I would like to beat you in quizzo one day.
So I'm standing offers.
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